Re: [Webnet] Electronic Communications job family matrices available

Hi, Pepper

I agree with you totally and believe that we all will pay the price for
this rush to get the compass up and running.

I also know that I have read in at least one area that when comparing
two job requirements such as you mention, i.e. 50/50 print and web, that
if one is just slightly over the 50% mark per their evaluation and if
that half is at a lower pay scale you will be classified at that lower
pay scale.

I suggested through my boss that this seems unfair. If you do two jobs
in one and one is highly paid and the other not and they determine you
do the other at 50.1% you get paid at that lower level is unfair for
these and other reasons to include your concerns. I believe it is more
realistic to set that at 70% or 80% so an employee who does the higher
level work does not feel as if they are not being adequately
compensated. I, for one, if did a web developer job which would normally
be classified at the PAIV level and a tech job at a PAII level I would
be disappointed and discouraged that I was being paid at the PAII level
for doing PAIV level work regardless of the percentage.

In another scenario say I suddenly went from 50.1% at the lower level to
49.9% at the lower pay level, how difficult, if at all, would it be to
be reclassified to the higher pay level and so on.

Ergo my belief that 70 - 80% would be more equitable for us vs the 50%.
It has always been the policy, written or unwritten, that if a persons
job is at that 50/50 level to always, ALWAYS, classified at the lower
level. I could also suggest that if the job is at the 50/50 levels to
always go with the higher level in compensation as this would highly
motivate the person to do more and continue in an upward motion thus
remaining with the unit and knowing that they are being cared for and
taken care of and compensated appropriately. Going to the lower level
seems more of a budget savings direction vs the employee being
adequately compensated.

My two cents. Thanks for posting this Pepper. I also posted this to the
compdesk.

Respectfully,

Charles

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Pepper L. Moore wrote:
> Yes, as a member of a marketing team that handles all media, I split my
> time between print and web almost 50/50 and its extremely complicated to
> keep TWO jobs under one's belt with daily changes in technology and a
> burgeoning requirement to add server-side programming to the mix too.
>
> It's not like I can only know 50% each of the job requirements. I actually
> think there should be a classification for someone that must stay on top
> of two distinct technical responsibilities. Putting my job in an
> electronic communications title doesn't take into account all the other
> knowledge I must stay abreast of for the remaining portion that is print
> based. The list of applications I must know is exhaustive. The creative
> demands of each media are diametrically opposed. In fact, rare is the
> employee that knows both mediums and can compete in the marketplace
> outside of the university.
>
> The fact that a more accurate classification will be held up by this new
> bifurcation of the communications classifications is very disheartening.
>
> How soon could someone like myself be classed out of the union and into an
> electronic media position? If I'm transitioning to a more electronic media
> weighted category am I going to be held back by the portion that is
> represented?
>
> ????
>   
>> Hi Phyllis,
>>
>> Thanks for your comments. I will forward your comments to the Comp Desk,
>> but
>> please direct future comments directly to compdesk_at_berkeley.edu rather
>> than
>> posting them here on Webnet, so your comments can be reviewed by the Comp
>> team.
>>
>> In addition, we understand the difficulty of mapping hybrid or "cross
>> family" jobs and have written some FAQs to address these issues. Please
>> find
>> them available via this link:
>> http://careercompass.berkeley.edu/faq/jobstandards.html#mapping -- in
>> particular, please review the second FAQ in this section.
>>
>> If you have additional questions, please feel free to contact me directly.
>>
>> Kathleen
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-webnet-list_at_lists.berkeley.edu
>> [mailto:owner-webnet-list_at_lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of
>> phylliso_at_berkeley.edu
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2007 5:29 PM
>> To: hrwebmaster_at_berkeley.edu
>> Cc: webnet-list_at_lists.berkeley.edu
>> Subject: Re: [Webnet] Electronic Communications job family matrices
>> available
>>
>> It seems unfortunate that HR has retained the old habit of linking
>> supervisory seniority and compensation to the number of people the
>> position
>> supervises. This sort of thinking is what led to extremely wasteful
>> personnel practices in many units, as many can attest. How about just
>> making
>> status and compensation linked to market forces and skills?
>>
>> Secondly, while I appreciate the difficulty of getting all this done in
>> one
>> fell swoop, it is difficult to evaluate or even understand the proposed
>> descriptions without having the entire family to look at.
>> Additionally, I would be very surprised if many people's jobs didn't cross
>> those family lines quite regularly. Perhaps these electronic, general,
>> written, media, etc. families could be collapsed, and a little more
>> discretion could be granted to the people closer to the front lines where
>> the work is being done and where the hiring is happening. As it is, it
>> takes
>> a good three to four months to get a job posted, if you work at it with a
>> dedicated HR team in your home unit and make it a top priority.
>> And, still, the salaries and job descriptions that come out are often out
>> of
>> sync, as evidenced by a recent job posted to this list.
>>
>>     
>>> Hello Webnet,
>>>
>>> I wanted to let you know that job family matrices for the Electronic
>>> Communications family have been posted to the Career Compass web site:
>>> http://careercompass.berkeley.edu/jobstandards/mappingtool/comm.html
>>>
>>> These families are open for campus comment until August 17, 2007.
>>> Please direct comments to compdesk_at_berkeley.edu. For questions
>>> regarding the job mapping process, please contact the Comp Desk at (510)
>>>       
>> 643-7563.
>>     
>>> The Communications field was delayed because the Written
>>> Communications, Visual Communications, and Broadcast Communications
>>> families contain a mix of represented and non-represented jobs within
>>> the professional levels and require additional time for collective
>>>       
>> bargaining.
>>     
>>> Rather than postponing the entire Communications field, we are
>>> splitting the field into two stages so that the Electronic
>>> Communications and Media Communications families can be reviewed now.
>>> In particular, the release of the Electronic Communications family
>>> should make it easier for web developers to determine whether a
>>> particular job falls into Electronic Communications or an IT family
>>> such as Applications Programming.
>>>
>>> For more information, please review the FAQs for Job Family Matrices:
>>> http://careercompass.berkeley.edu/faq/jobstandards.html#matrices
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Kathleen
>>>
>>> Kathleen Lu
>>> HR Communications
>>> 3-7343
>>>
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> Regards,
>
> Pepper L. Moore
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