From: Lucas Rockwell (lr@socrates.berkeley.edu)
Date: Fri Jun 13 2003 - 14:22:47 PDT
Hi all,
It's not a rumor, it's official:
Microsoft: No new versions of IE for Mac
http://news.com.com/2100-1045_3-1017126.html?tag=fd_top
Just a note, in this and other articles, Microsoft is quoted as stating
that the reason they can't compete with Apple is because they don't have
access to the operating system code. Well, the last time I checked,
Darwin, the operating system underlying OS X, is totally open -- anyone
can have full access to the operating system code. What MS is
probably talking about is Aqua, Quartz and the Cocoa frameworks, which
are not the operating system. In regard to this silly claim, I should note
that the Camino developers are having no problem making their browser
just as fast as Safari, if not faster. And these people are totally
unpaid for the work they do on Camino!
Also, it is nice that Microsoft finally admits, albeit inadvertently, that
the reason they can't compete with Apple is the same reason Netscape could
not compete with MS: no access to the operating system code, so Netscape
was at a total disadvantage. Also, MS knows IE is not going to be the
default browser on OS X 10.3 (Panther), just like Netscape was not the
default browser on Windows. In fact, MS didn't even want Netscape included
in Windows distributions. It remains to be seen if Apple, following this
news, will even include IE on 10.3.
-lucas
On Fri, 13 Jun 2003, Alfred Alipio Jocson wrote:
>
> Mac users,
>
> Hi there. Seems as if this thread has raised several issues/questions:
>
> - Problems with HRMS and MacOS 10.2.6 and IE
> - Future HRMS support considering rumor of no more versions of IE
> - What other Mac web browsers work with HRMS
>
> ____Problems with HRMS and MacOS 10.2.6 and IE____
> Regarding HRMS and MacOS 10.2.6 and IE, I updated my personal iBook 600 mhz
> (circa 2001, dual-USB model) to 10.2.6 and did not observe the problems
> that Greg Paschall noted in his original post in this thread of email. I
> used IE 5.2, which I believe is the newest version available for the Mac.
>
> Greg: If your users can let me know what specific HRMS pages and fields
> they were tabbing out of, I can try to re-test.
>
> Also, I regularly fix disk permissions and clear my browser cache. Perhaps
> one or both of those will help your users.
>
> ____Future HRMS support considering rumor of no more versions of IE____
> Regarding future HRMS support considering rumor of no more versions of IE,
> I'll have to ask around. While I haven't seen any official announcement,
> MacUser <http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=43191> claims to
> have a confirmation from a MS spokesperson that Microsoft will _not_ be
> releasing any new versions of Internet Explorer.
>
> I'd imagine our campus implementation of HRMS will encourage the use of
> Netscape if IE goes away.
>
>
> ____What other Mac web browsers work with HRMS____
> What other Mac web browsers work with HRMS?
>
> I don't have an exhaustive list of which combinations of hardware, OS, and
> browser work. Here's a list of OS and browser combinations that I have
> tried out and found to work over the last three or so months:
>
> Mac OS 9.0.4
> - MS Internet Explorer 5.0
> - Netscape Communicator 4.7
>
> Mac OS 10.2.4 and 10.2.6
> - MS Internet Explorer 5.2
> - Netscape Communicator 7.0
> - Camino 0.7
>
> I haven't used Safari much. As far as beta software goes, Camino seems to
> be better developed at this time IMHO.
>
> Personally, even though it is technically beta software, I use Camino as
> much as possible. It is fast, pretty stable, and works with most web sites.
> Camino rarely crashes for me when I am on a webpage that has lots of pop-up
> ads; I have Camino's pop-up ad blocker on (it's a wonderful feature).
>
> --Alfred
>
>
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>
>
> From: Lucas Rockwell (lr@socrates.berkeley.edu)
> Date: Sun Jun 08 2003 - 11:40:41 PDT
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> Thanks, Jules, for verifying that Camino works with HRMS!
>
> For those who do not use Camino, I strongly recommend you check it out:
>
> http://www.mozilla.org/projects/camino
>
> It is by far the fastest OS X browser out (maybe it is tied with Safari,
> but Safari just doesn't work with too many sites for it to be considered
> an everyday browser -- for me at least).
>
> Camino, like Netscape and Mozilla, is based on Gecko, but it has a pure OS
> X Cocoa interface (it's not Carbon like IE, Mozilla and Netscape are), so
> it "behaves" more OS X-like than the other browsers (OmniWeb not
> withstanding, as it too is pure Cocoa and has been since it was a
> NEXTSTEP/OpenStep app).
>
> -lucas
>
>
> On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Jules Freedman wrote:
>
>
> > I've been using Camino, version .7 with success. I've also tested
> > Netscape 7, but I believe Camino is the faster of the two. When an
> > update is made to a field on the screen and a user tabs out, the page
> > updates without redrawing the entire page, far more efficiently than
> > IE. I'm also running 10.2.6.
> >
> > I've tested Safari and have noted the same redrawing problems and
> > also not all screens display cleanly. Perhaps when Apple launches a
> > non-beta release, these issues will be resolved.
> >
> > -Jules
> >
> > At 9:53 AM -0700 6/6/03, Greg Paschall wrote:
> > >I don't believe Safari is "officially" supported by HRMS. According
> > >to their documents, they support Netscape and IE. Some departments
> > >are also using Mozilla, though it's still being tested by HRMS.
> > >
> > >Has anyone tried HRMS with Safari?
> > >
> > >Greg
> > >
> > >At 4:49 PM -0700 6/5/03, Arthur Ogus wrote:
> > >>What happens with Safari? I believe Microsoft is
> > >>dropping development of IE, so people should
> > >>start preparing to switch.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 04:37 PM, Greg Paschall (by way of
> > >>MAGNet mailing list administrator) wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> My 2 HRMS users are recently (in the last week) started having
> > >>> problems with HRMS. They are both using IE under MacOS 10.2.6 (both
> > >>> are G3 iMacs of various ages). There are 2 problems:
> > >>>
> > >>> 1. Tabbing between fields is causing the entire screen to blank and
> > >>> refresh when as the "processing" note shows on the screen. This only
> > >>> seems to happen in IE and not Mozilla.
> > >>>
> > >>> 2. Both IE (their usual browser) and Mozilla hang when going between
> > >>> screens periodically. As they put it, "the wheel spins and nothing
> > >>> happens." You can restart the browser, get back into HRMS and do
> > >>> everything all over and it'll work. It's like the browser all of a
> > >>> sudden loses touch with the server while receiving updated pages.
> > >>>
> > >>> These machines used to work fine with HRMS -- no preferences have
> > >>> changed. Anybody else experienced anything like this recently?
> > >>>
> > >>> Thanks,
> > >>>
> > >>> Greg
> > >>> --
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> > >>> Greg Paschall -- gregp@ssl.berkeley.edu
> > >>> Network & IT Manager
> > >>> Space Sciences Lab - University of California at Berkeley
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