From: Alfred Alipio Jocson (jocson@uclink.berkeley.edu)
Date: Fri Jun 13 2003 - 12:35:39 PDT
Mac users,
Hi there. Seems as if this thread has raised several issues/questions:
- Problems with HRMS and MacOS 10.2.6 and IE
- Future HRMS support considering rumor of no more versions of IE
- What other Mac web browsers work with HRMS
____Problems with HRMS and MacOS 10.2.6 and IE____
Regarding HRMS and MacOS 10.2.6 and IE, I updated my personal iBook 600 mhz
(circa 2001, dual-USB model) to 10.2.6 and did not observe the problems
that Greg Paschall noted in his original post in this thread of email. I
used IE 5.2, which I believe is the newest version available for the Mac.
Greg: If your users can let me know what specific HRMS pages and fields
they were tabbing out of, I can try to re-test.
Also, I regularly fix disk permissions and clear my browser cache. Perhaps
one or both of those will help your users.
____Future HRMS support considering rumor of no more versions of IE____
Regarding future HRMS support considering rumor of no more versions of IE,
I'll have to ask around. While I haven't seen any official announcement,
MacUser <http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/news_story.php?id=43191> claims to
have a confirmation from a MS spokesperson that Microsoft will _not_ be
releasing any new versions of Internet Explorer.
I'd imagine our campus implementation of HRMS will encourage the use of
Netscape if IE goes away.
____What other Mac web browsers work with HRMS____
What other Mac web browsers work with HRMS?
I don't have an exhaustive list of which combinations of hardware, OS, and
browser work. Here's a list of OS and browser combinations that I have
tried out and found to work over the last three or so months:
Mac OS 9.0.4
- MS Internet Explorer 5.0
- Netscape Communicator 4.7
Mac OS 10.2.4 and 10.2.6
- MS Internet Explorer 5.2
- Netscape Communicator 7.0
- Camino 0.7
I haven't used Safari much. As far as beta software goes, Camino seems to
be better developed at this time IMHO.
Personally, even though it is technically beta software, I use Camino as
much as possible. It is fast, pretty stable, and works with most web sites.
Camino rarely crashes for me when I am on a webpage that has lots of pop-up
ads; I have Camino's pop-up ad blocker on (it's a wonderful feature).
--Alfred
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From: Lucas Rockwell (lr@socrates.berkeley.edu)
Date: Sun Jun 08 2003 - 11:40:41 PDT
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Hi all,
Thanks, Jules, for verifying that Camino works with HRMS!
For those who do not use Camino, I strongly recommend you check it out:
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/camino
It is by far the fastest OS X browser out (maybe it is tied with Safari,
but Safari just doesn't work with too many sites for it to be considered
an everyday browser -- for me at least).
Camino, like Netscape and Mozilla, is based on Gecko, but it has a pure OS
X Cocoa interface (it's not Carbon like IE, Mozilla and Netscape are), so
it "behaves" more OS X-like than the other browsers (OmniWeb not
withstanding, as it too is pure Cocoa and has been since it was a
NEXTSTEP/OpenStep app).
-lucas
On Fri, 6 Jun 2003, Jules Freedman wrote:
> I've been using Camino, version .7 with success. I've also tested
> Netscape 7, but I believe Camino is the faster of the two. When an
> update is made to a field on the screen and a user tabs out, the page
> updates without redrawing the entire page, far more efficiently than
> IE. I'm also running 10.2.6.
>
> I've tested Safari and have noted the same redrawing problems and
> also not all screens display cleanly. Perhaps when Apple launches a
> non-beta release, these issues will be resolved.
>
> -Jules
>
> At 9:53 AM -0700 6/6/03, Greg Paschall wrote:
> >I don't believe Safari is "officially" supported by HRMS. According
> >to their documents, they support Netscape and IE. Some departments
> >are also using Mozilla, though it's still being tested by HRMS.
> >
> >Has anyone tried HRMS with Safari?
> >
> >Greg
> >
> >At 4:49 PM -0700 6/5/03, Arthur Ogus wrote:
> >>What happens with Safari? I believe Microsoft is
> >>dropping development of IE, so people should
> >>start preparing to switch.
> >>
> >>
> >>On Thursday, June 5, 2003, at 04:37 PM, Greg Paschall (by way of
> >>MAGNet mailing list administrator) wrote:
> >>
> >>> My 2 HRMS users are recently (in the last week) started having
> >>> problems with HRMS. They are both using IE under MacOS 10.2.6 (both
> >>> are G3 iMacs of various ages). There are 2 problems:
> >>>
> >>> 1. Tabbing between fields is causing the entire screen to blank and
> >>> refresh when as the "processing" note shows on the screen. This only
> >>> seems to happen in IE and not Mozilla.
> >>>
> >>> 2. Both IE (their usual browser) and Mozilla hang when going between
> >>> screens periodically. As they put it, "the wheel spins and nothing
> >>> happens." You can restart the browser, get back into HRMS and do
> >>> everything all over and it'll work. It's like the browser all of a
> >>> sudden loses touch with the server while receiving updated pages.
> >>>
> >>> These machines used to work fine with HRMS -- no preferences have
> >>> changed. Anybody else experienced anything like this recently?
> >>>
> >>> Thanks,
> >>>
> >>> Greg
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